You can go back to view last month's budget or forward to next month's budget. dakinemaui; dakinemaui; 4 wk ago; Reported - view; Gold Wrench Have you tried offsetting the category? The option you're looking for is the Quick Budget feature! YNAB does not carry over that overspending to the new month -- that money has been spent. An extreme example could be, you've been saving to buy something and finally decide not to buy it. As this cash position grows, eventually you will live on last month's income and save the current month's income. No. In this budget, the happy new YNABer started mid month and came in just under the wire. Credit Overspending. If it's credit card overspending, add funds to the category if you can before the end of the month. And, that's what I just did, in order to have it accurately reflect that that the only thing that's changed is the month. The tool seems to be forcing me to answer the question "what do I need these dollars to do before I get paid again, but not beyond the end of the month?" I assume this is on your normal CC. If you use credit, you create debt that can be paid back over time. You spent the cash in January. It sounds like a great idea! Split 2 adjusts the tracking account balance. The workflow for reimbursements using a tracking account is quite different than the above because real money is coming from a third party. adriana01 of course all personal choice, but no regrets here at giving up soda. Click that to open up the month navigator. I was replying to Silver Orca saying "there is a bit of a cult around this." I have discovered that it forces me into a monthly framework, which seems to prevent me from budgeting by pay cycle. But you might be a little nervous, because you’re stepping into the great unknown. It's too late to do anything about it now.). YNAB is an allocation budget system, not a free for all, and you can't allocate money more money to categories than you have on-hand, because it makes the actual category balances invalid. Unfortunately, that approach is not appropriate for anyone. If you're definitely going to pay it, the need to budget $X / month to the CC Payment category is a given. I find the web version has a nicer interface, in some ways, than YNAB 4. Most of the generic colas taste more like Pepsi to me, which I don't care for. If you keep spending over $1,000 you’ll go into debt. Now, if you want to pay off your credit card in full, you need to budget $10 directly to the card payment category. ), This naturally reduces the amount available elsewhere, but that is the case with any high priority category (e.g., Rent/Mortgage). Add funds directly to the Credit Card Payment category in the current month. It's not okay to have negative numbers in your budget, because it means that you are either budgeting money you do not have, or you are spending money that you don't have. How to carry over next months budgets properly Hi guys, I just started using YNAB this week and although it's too early to say whether it will help me or not, I'm getting on very well with it. Depending on timing, that movement is either automatic or it's not. Here's to leaving all budgeting frustration back in 2017! But the budgeting methodology took a hard turn towards mandating that everyone budget like they are living paycheck to paycheck. It will be waiting in next month's Available column to handle any expenses that occur before you're paid again next month. The YNAB version I used when getting started did not have goals. Faness Hi there. Shouldn't these categories with the carried over $ be green? I'm very confused. I'm perplexed and frustrated that budgeted amounts don't move to the next month. Most of us just included amount or date reminders in the category names. It's great at forecasting, it's not very good at tracking. Like how budgeting is done commercially. There is nothing you can do to change this behavior in how YNAB works. Godwins Law springs to mind. YNAB won’t let you move to the next month with a negative balance. At this point, you need to record your payment and update the tracking account. so let’s say you have a non-savings category for groceries. It seems like a case of YNAB thinking they know exactly how everyone should run their finances, rather than providing flexible tools so we can run them as we see fit. Yes, there should be a reimbursement tracking mechanism, but it should be a category group that is backed by category within that's positive. The general approach to budget toward the highest priority first, then on down the list ensures the important stuff gets money. It is a feature number in the user interface, and after all, I need a "budget". Why have it at all in the interface? . It's silly - I know how much I earn, I know how much I want to spend on clothes in a year - YNAB won't let me allocate that money month to month with any flexibility (unless I create debt with a credit card rather than my own capital???). Tomato Cobra said: I'm just trying to follow the YNAB approach and it seems like they put the budgeted amount front and center. I've checked the settings and do not see a way to do this. Let's assume you previously had $800 of normal budgeted purchases that are now due as well, so your CC Payment Available is now $900. Now it's here and it's yuck. After all, those dollars are truly gone from the budget. That's what the Move Money tool do for you. One day—probably more than one day—but less than 32 days after you’ve been using You Need a Budget (okay, definitely less, definitely), you’re going to start a new month in YNAB and the old month is going to roll over.And, with the new month, new YNABers across the land watch the budget screen in YNAB zooming forward into the now. I realise that YNAB works to match a certain, specific way of doing things, and there is a bit of a cult around this, but I like software to be flexible and provide features I can tailor to my liking. I have multiple budget items that I know I will need money for and may not have the funds now. In short, it is ok to take more money out of an envelope than you put in during that month or paycycle. Follow YNAB to get support and lots of great ideas on budgeting, If I were using envelopes, I'd know how much I budgeted when I look at the label on the envelope. When your financial situation changes (e.g., one of the installments drops off, you get a raise, or priorities change elsewhere in the budget), you reassess what you can add in at that point in time. bevocat there's a generic Coke zero?!? Write a note. Rww Any debt is shown in the difference between your card balance and the amount you have available to pay that card in your budget. Creating a new budget is very simple. Additionally, one can get an easy indication of the first issue -- that you need to move money to the CC category -- but you have to go against YNAB's recommendations to get it. That's at odds with my previous thought (#1), so the typical solution is to save up money to fund categories in a one-time transition month and then budget into next month's area thereafter. I mean, you don't go to the grocery store and walk out with food thinking you can pay the grocery store $50 next week because you're not going to eat the food until then! Logged pipercat. That will turn off the orange in this month. If you use cash/debit, that's actual money you no longer have access to. Previously, I used to estimate about how much I'd spend per month on categories (ex: $200 on restaurants) and I'd enter this as my budget amount at the beginning of the month. There's nothing wrong with beginning again. We handle these situations a little differently. Iremember that there was a way to carry over the budget to the next month so I don't have to start off with zero in every category and then adjust. This would, hopefully, limit the use, but it could still be open to abuse. Hindsight is 20/20 after all. Any ideas? YNAB does not carry over that overspending to the new month -- that money has been spent. It's my favorite soda. No idea why they are so reluctant to pick the low hanging fruit. Oh wait, except for credit cards. Those predominately come from users who use an entirely different approach than you do because they're in a very different financial situation than you are. THANK YOU! But for an envelope like "new car", you want to accumulate month after month, so month 1 the envelope will have $50, then month 2 there will be $100, etc. I'm having the same issue. I don't track these forums very closely, but I could have sworn the company acknowledged it years ago and claimed to be "working on it..."     Should I give up hope? If you categorize medical spending then you will know how much you spent on medical. I set up all my credit cards as chequing accounts. You can either just ignore any overages and underages, and keep the same budget for the next month, or you can carry over the surplus or deficit into the next month. champagne_dame If you paid cash for tuition, that cash is obviously not available for use elsewhere, so adjusting the "plan" (aka budget) to reflect that makes a lot of sense (especially for substantial amounts). -- If you are in a situation where you need to pre-pay for something, make sure you either have the money available to pay for it, or at least can pay it using credit. That is not ok as nolesrule said. Am I missing something/ Like Follow 3. Your spending isn't affected by where the money comes from. That way, you have 100% of the cash for the whole month on the first of the month. Split 3 is necessary because you didn't really get any new money, and therefore must cancel Split 2. nolesrule I guess I should've mentioned that I haven't used my sodastream very often lately. I wish to carry over my budget of £60, not £109, but without remembering the £60 that I worked out that figure is lost and I … If you used your savings to pay for something how is it hard to write a note to record that? When the month rolls over, categories with credit overspending reset to $0—you no longer need to budget in the previous month to cover the purchase. I'm mad that Coke Zero changed their formula and now it tastes exactly like generic Coke Zero, which isn't good enough for me (don't get me wrong; I'm the generic queen, but this and Charmin are my two exceptions!). It will also carry over into the next month, YNAB calls this aging your money. If I go a little over or under each month, i shouldn't need to do a lot of pointless admin work to reconcile this. It can forecast under a myriad different conditions. What am I missing? That way, you don’t have to time paychecks for parts of your budget. The month rolls over, and the warning in the Home Furnishing category is cancelled (0 Available). Oldest first; Newest first; Active threads; Popular; Login to reply. Month One. I have a paper envelope, identified as clothing spending. The more and more I read these types of posts, the more I understand why they chose to eliminate the red arrow. They don't put the budgeted number front and center. nolesrule I don't want to allocate more than I have on hand. lindsay_g I was simply addressing your statement that you don't "get" the complaints. Maybe this is just my lack of understanding on YNAB - but I pretty consistently have carry over from month to month, which throws off the budget for the next month. The software is written specifically to support the method. You can build up debt and 'lie to yourself' about your budget there, no problem. Zero out by changing next month's budget rather than this month's. dakinemaui yes, but YNAB wants you to distribute the capital as you go along, every month, in and out of every category, which is tiresome. When you overspend with cash, you spent all the money in that category, plus some money from your other categories, so there is a risk of over-drafting your actual bank account. 26 replies Oldest first. But I have PIF cards, a buffer, EF and I'm not on the edge. About the negative numbers, I said it is fine to have negative in the Budgeted column. That is absolutely fine, it simply means you took more money out of this category on that month than you put in. If you want a forecasting/tracking budget system, there are a lot of tools out there that will do that for you... and some of them are even free. Things that break the method (in their opinion) aren't likely to get added. I know how much money I will earn, and have earned. When those red flags start appearing it causes great anxiety for me. You can't spend $100 on gas or you'll break the bank. If what's left unfunded is truly a lower priority, you should be OK without it for an indefinite period of time. So you could select "mortgage, cell phone, internet" and choose "Budgeted last month" and then select "utilities, groceries, gasoline" and choose "average spent.". WordTenor Thanks for that - it's a workaround for sure. Related to personal finance, budgeting, money and financial matters. I budgeted the money last paycheck (last week in July) and since then, it's only time that has changed. adriana01 for example, if you buy the SodaStream version of Coke Zero (as opposed to their version of Diet Coke; they're different), or a store brand version. You have to have the budgeted column because it's an easy way to input how much you are adding or subtracting from the envelope. “Turning the arrow to the right” is a risky way to handle over spending. You never carry a balance. :). YNAB has another option, though. It's always been a methodology first and a piece of software second. We call it “turning the arrow to the right.” When I’ve overspent, I can click on the red category balance, and YNAB asks me if I want to subtract it from next month’s Available to Budget, or if I want to subtract it from next month’s category balance. These helpful steps will walk you through setting up your budget template. Anything you are not spending that month should be placed in a savings category. So you need to eliminate the red in your budget, because YNAB is a plan for the money you have. That step currently requires some documentation that doesn't reside near the transactions, and must be intentionally left somewhere in the budget that will get looked at. Been waiting 5 years for the Stealing From the Future fix... YNAB book topics online: https://support.youneedabudget.com/r/q5w48j, I have the honor to be your obedient servant, Not sure when I became a cheetah...but I'll run with it. A normal payment for $900 and a separate transaction in the tracking account for $100 outflow. bret It's been suggested by dakinemaui . At any point in the month, we can easily see how much money we have remaining in each category. I hear everyone who says the Red Arrow in v4 was wrong and people were abusing it. It’s not just software, but a philosophy and method that will shift your budgeting paradigm. From the way nYNAB users are describing the stealth debt situation from negative rollovers, it seems a  UI improvement is needed or a minimum a dialog box warning the user at month end of the new debt situation. Hi all, question on how you all use YNAB. The Budgeted column is specifically about how much money you have already budgeted to a category in the current month only. You will be amazed at how much you can save! Since it wants me to budget for expenses on a monthly basis, it won’t let me carry expenses forward. I told you that YNAB saves a copy of your old budget! The carry over should be funds in your bank account to help thru the first weeks of your new year, especially if your year runs Jan to Dec as Jan income is often one of your lowest months. You would take all your money in cash and then envelopes. At this point, you can go back to your old budget by hovering, once again, over “My Budget” (top left-hand side of the screen), and clicking on “Open Budget”. I take that back, apparently I haven't looked at the details in a while (we've only had it since the spring). :(. There are different types of goals. If I overspend in one month this is not carried forward, so the following month I have to remember that, or just have it deducted from TBB, It's funny how any criticism of this software is met with such stern defense on these forums. If it's a category with an upcoming transaction, add funds when you can before the transaction date, and if it's cash-based (e.g. Whether you want to move on from a starter budget, your life and priorities have changed, your (ahem) budgeting habits went south, or you just want a new view of your money (old budgets can be full of old habits, after all), try a Fresh Start. For instance, "Medical" is a tax-related category and at the end of the year I will not know how my money is really being spent. So at the start of a month, the "rent" envelope will have $0 in. Your main menu is on the left side of the screen. Am I missing something/. If you used cash -- and YNAB thinks you did since the overspending is red -- that money is gone. Green Cup It's because YNAB won't let you manage your finances like an adult. mamster perfect. I'm still not understanding why it wouldn't appear as funded/green. Now, as next month approaches, you're ready to create a new budget. This really isn't a situation where you took on debt that can be paid back later -- if you paid using a checking account or cash, that's actual money leaving your accounts. Budget the required monthly amount to a Home Furnishing Debt category and record the payment as a categorized transfer from checking to the tracking account. I'm paid once a month at the end of the month, so I used my July paycheque to fully fund all my August categories, so I have no orange. But why the orange status? So the issue I'm having is what do I do next month. Because that is what is happening in the real world. Tomato Cobra You budget money as you receive it, answering the question of "what does this new money need to do between now and the next time I am paid?" :-). If there's an automatic/elegant way to do it I haven't figured it out yet either. When you overspend with a credit card, you've racked up some additional debt - though no actual cash has left your budget or accounts. In YNAB 4 you had a couple options. You are excited that you can have an awesome, functional budget and still have the perks of credit cards. , lindsay_g I read "vodka and ice cream"! There is no need to reassign the funds in August. At the end of the month, there was still $50 in the clothing envelope. Your gas is still $100. It’s a nuance I wasn’t aware of and may explain why my CC’s are always slightly off. Regardless, anything budgeted last month,  results in negative red numbers as I move things around this month, which leads into my second question. The best way to do that is to use a categorized transfer in the relevant transactions rather than a normal categorized (non-transfer) transaction. If you can't add funds this month, in subsequent months you budget directly to the credit card payment category until the balance available to pay the card matches the amount owing on the card. 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